This week, we’ve got another hot podcast from ALL IN, Canada’s burgeoning AI conference (BetaKit is an ALL IN media partner).
One key takeaway from ALL IN this year is that AI adoption is now an industry-wide mandate (bonus takeaway: it’s also a mandate within our federal government). Last week, I spoke with Tailscale’s Avery Pennarun about the pressure CISOs are facing to adopt AI internally, and the massive security risks for companies that move fast without secure processes (which don’t entirely exist yet).
Pennarun joins me again for this panel conversation, which talks about AI pressures entrepreneurs are facing from a variety of perspectives: to scale with customer demand (safely and responsibly); to reskill employees; even to kill their old company to let the new AI-first version live.
“Don’t talk to your customers because your customers will keep you in the place that you used to be.”
Aydin Mirzaee
It’s a great snapshot of the challenges and opportunities Canadian AI entrepreneurs are facing right now, featuring Michael Buhr (C100), Aydin Mirzaee (Fellow AI), Avery Pennarun (Tailscale), and Amanda Arciero (Airudi) alongside Pennarun. Mirzaee in particular speaks candidly about the decision to kill the old Fellow as part of an embrace of AI just under two years ago—one that has led the company to eight figures in AI-based revenue.
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How did he make that choice? How are the rest managing the pressure to scale?
Let’s dig in.
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